Are Orb's real or just simply dust particals?

[Gareth]

UNFORTUNATLY DUE TO THE TRANSFER OF THIS FORUM THE POLL COULD NOT BE TRANSFERED BUT ALL POSTS REMAIN INTACT!

The original poll votes were as follows:

Orb's are real Paranormal evidence   (3 votes, 50%)
Orb's are just Dust Particals (3 votes, 50%)
Not sure (0 votes, 0%)

Do you believe that Orb's are evidence of Paranormal activity or are they just Dust Paraticals that are captured on film?

I know what i believe what do you think?

Gareth,
Founder Member

[halo]

Well it says i'm not allowed to vote when I try to submit my vote. But I do believe they are dust particals, light reflection or normal exposure faults. I have reproduced some of these so called orb and spirit photographs myself.

[spirit]

you can get some good orb picture's,but alot are down to dust,even though dust can not been seen by the naked eye,you would be surprised how must of dust is in the air even out door's,i'm not saying all orb pictures are dust particles,but you need to have the picture's examined properly by an expert,
Spirit.x

[Gareth]

My sinceriest of appologies to halo for not being able to vote properly or at all in fact. One of BirminghamIU founder members will be looking at the forum and correcting this asap.

I thank all the new members including spirit and halo for joining. Your very welcome here and I hope you enjoy viewing and posting on BirminghamIU.

As for the question of do orb's realy exsist I believe they do. I can't honestly say that 100% every orb is an orb because there can be many contributing factors when deciding whether an orb is indeed an orb.

I mean examples include:

1. Reflections
2. Possible interferance from equipment
3. Dirty lense of a faulty camera
4. Camera noise etc.

But nearly 98% (my rough figures) are classic orbs or of similar in the sense that they many be a funny shape or coulour or of a different context to an classic orb. This makes it more interesting and proves the existance in my mind more.

As I say I believe in orb's and their evidence that the Paranormal exists.

How can science say this doesn't exist? It's crazy LOL.

However if anyone is interested in seeing for yourself first hand the existance of orb's in all their former glory and witness evidence for yourself then you are very welcome to attend our investigations at anytime by contacting either myself or any other BirminghamIU founding member.

[Paul]

Many thanks for all your comments, it's nice to see such a good debate, that's one of the things which is encouraged in the forum.

I thought people may want to take a close look at this photograph taken by BirminghamIU as it might change your opinion of whether 'orbs' are dust particals or reflections. Please follow the instructions underneath if you would like to study the photo in it's full 3264x2448 pixel size, unedited.



If you would like to study the ‘orbs’ photograph and zoom in without losing quality, please visit http://picasaweb.google.com/carloss.paul/PJC#5256122996279565186 and click on the magnifying glass at the top right of the picture. Now click on the zoomed image and drag it to see the desired part of the photo.

[Gareth]

Well i certainly agree with your post Paul. I remember when our club took this amazing photo!

A dust partical this big? How can science say it doesn't exist when we have the evidence before our eyes!

This is a photo definatly to study and anyone is welcome to study our many other interesting evidence at our site.

At BirminghamIU we encourage you to study our evidence and we welcome any comments or future comments you may have regarding this.

[tjsprt]

Hi there

very interesting post about orbs? i think the photo you have outside is somewhat interesting to say the least and i do have to say it is a good picture. However you are failing to look at it properly.

You haven't mentioned the conditions in which the photo graph was taken. And orbs can be many different things i.e. insects, dust, hair strands, water vapour/moisture erm the list is endless.

Honestly haveing my expereince in the paranormal world both investigative and scientifically i would say (and many people would agree) that you photo is nothing more than water moisture.

A TIP ALWAYS LOOK FOR A LOGICAL RATIONAL.

[Gareth]

Welcome to tjsprt to the BirminghamIU forums.

As for your request on more background information on the photo in question. The weather was quite good for a night of that time of year. There was no rain or fog and the wind was down to a bare minimum.

There were no member's of BirminghamIU smoking near or by the photo when infact it was taken and all of our equipment is checked before leaving for an investigation.

We also have regular checks whilst out so i can confirm that the equipment was not at all faulty or that any adverse weather conditions had caused it. There was nothing exlainable that could have caused this amazing piece of evidence not even moisture.

I can appreciate your level of experience in the filed of Paranormal however i beg to disagree with your comment. It is a valid comment but however I wish you was there with us so you could see for yourself that there was no possible cause other than Paranormal.

Thank you for your interest in our club evidence. You are welcome to post on our forums in the future. Thank you for your comment.

[tjsprt]

assuming a picture is directly paranormal with out considering all possibilities is the wrong way to go. I have recently been on a investigation with the likes of steve parsons from parascience and i had too pictures outdoors.

i amazingly had the same number of orbs as you have. Think logicaly first you can only say something is paranormal when all possibilites have been ruled out.

you are welcome to send the pic to my team to veiw and we will look at it for you. but as a parapsychologist i would say it is nothing more than moisture

[Paul]

Thanks, tjsprt for your interesting comments and thanks to everyone else who have replied so far.

You are right that one can't say anything is certainly paranormal until every logical explanation has been ruled out. I do believe some 'orbs' are caused by explained phenomenon, but in my opinion I believe some aren't caused by explainable phenomenon either. I couldn't however put this opinion on a scientific report without hard evidence and because of so many variances and possible causes, no-one else has yet scientifically proved that 'orbs' are caused by paranormal activity and none of the evidence so far stands up totally under scrutiny from parapsychologists.

There is a chance that the 'orbs' in the photograph included in the above post are caused by moisture, but it's less likely as it was a dry, warm and still summer evening. When we took another photo straight afterwards in the same area, we caught 'orbs' again, but in different places on the photograph. We took some photos around the location on the same evening, some with 'orbs', others with no light anomalies at all and being so many on this photograph and on a few others often taken straight after eachother, it's statistically less likely that we'd get photographs without any 'orbs' at all if it was caused by moisture. Remember, I cannot prove 'orbs' are paranormal, all I can do is keep capturing and analysing the evidence.

We have captured so many photographs of this type of anomaly with different cameras. When we take another photo of the location immediately afterwards, we either find that the anomalies appear to have moved as often one can match up sizes and intensities, or sometimes we find that the anomalies have disappeared altogether. We have also took lots of photographs in locations that aren't reportedly paranormal and so far, 'orbs' statistically appear far more in allegedly haunted locations. The more statistics we gather, the more likely the information is accurate, but I know there could be variances that haven't been considered.

[tjsprt]

This an article i have written for my team after conducting much research into orbs.

There is a big question mark hanging over exactly what orbs are, some people beleive it to be a manifestation of a spirit and some beleive that it is a fault with the camera that they are captured on. There are both strong aguments for and against the true nature of orbs,

Many psychics and beleivers in the paranormal strongly agree that orbs are infact the first sign of a spirit manifestation this does seem to be a valid point because some 'orbs' are caught when there is activity and they seem to act in an unusual way just as though they have some form of intelegence about them, could this be an actual spirit energy that is beeing caught on on camera?

Another theory is that of what is called the orb zone theory, which is the area directly infront of the camera. It is beleived that the flash of a digital camera reflects back on the first solid object it hits thus giving the effect of the orb, this may sound to be a plausible explination becaus the orb phenomina first came about with the introduction of digital cameras. And it is a well know fact that all the major companies are now admiting that it is a fault with the cameras.

I think that there are some pictures that do seem genuine but however they do simply get misinterpited as beeing of a paranormal nature. Many of the professional investigations groups don't take an interest in them at all now and clearly state on there websites 'do not send us pictures of orbs' unless you feel they are genuine as there are to many exlinations for orbs.

A question i will leave you with is this

are orbs real or just caught as a circle of confussion?

If you would like me to help out in anyway then i would be glad to do so, we beleive that teams should be working closely together for the futherance of aranormal research, not every bodys ideas will be the same we just have to go through that process of elimination until we can't find a logical explination.

W e are looking to find the answer to something that hasn't been scientifically proven yet and i beleive we have only just scratched the surface

A website i strongly recommend is www.parascience.org

[halo]

   I'm loving this debate, of course everyone has their own opinion of such things. As I have said, personally I think they have a perfectly rational explaination but I have seen some pretty remarkable 'orb' photographs.

Has anyone seen that video where a team of investigators are in that cellar and i dense mist desends on them? (sorry I can't remember what/where/when exactly). It's pretty weird and hard to explain.

[spirit]

Tjsprt i have to agree with you on everythin you have replied , i think this subject will differ with most ppl cos i believe with the camera's now they have the digital it picks up on everything from mist, rain, smoke, camera straps even hair strands etc.... Halo if you could remember the video clip that would be great ... it would be good to check out !!

Spirit 

[tjsprt]

Thanks spirit, lets also mention that the orb phenomina only came about with the investion of didgital cameras. The amount of people who have came to me and said i cought this 'orb' and then i have shown them it is dust or other lickly things and they have still stood there and argued that it is a spirit makes me laugh.

You can virtually take a picture any where with a digital camera and get an 'orb' i tried a little experiment not so long back and tested the theory of that picture above beeing genuine. I tried to recreate the same conditions (warm, dry) and took a picture outside. i was amazed to get orbs.

but what i did aswell is text the humitidity in the air, the humidity was at 58% and temperature was at 28.7 degree. So from this i took another picture and got nothing i concluded that i was simply moisture/vapour in the air that was passing in the wind.

Could this be the reason why you second picture seemed to show the orbs had vanished?

[spirit]

I tell peeps to do there own test by shakin a cushion then take a photo u'll see loads of orbs then.... even coloured ones or even the ones ppl say they see faces in lol 

spirit